How easy is it to buy a car !

Hello Nile motors members
A bit about myself , you can call me Wesso and i have been milemotors member since 2007 , with very low contibution to the fourm , but with a good follow up with what is going on in the forum
Sorry for writing in English but this is the only keyboard i have this time
I want to share a small story with you about how easy was it to buy a car in canada ,where i live now , as when i first landed i realized that it is impossible to live there without a car specially if you are far from downtown , so i started looking on websites for used cars to start with people are very honest and specific about there cars and they dont ask for unreasnabloe prices for there cars and all the published cars are priced and have detailed info about the engine , the KM, and the body so you have to do is pick up the phone and call the car owner for appointement , once you get to that point everything is pretty straight forward , no hassles , no tricks you go see the car you like it , the owner will give you a piece of paper with his signature on it , and you give him the cash , that is it you own the car now , so you take it to the insurance company pay the insurance then registry office next door pay for a plate , and then drive your car home , you can still check on the traffic fines on the internet if you like , but there is no need as the fine come to the plate owner , so in just 2 hours you buy a car , pay the insurance and buy a new plate , EASY
so I took me while to realize that i don't have to go to the traffic police or the "shahr 3aqary" i was really depressed that we don't have this in Egypt , but may be one day the dream will come true
Thanks for spending your time reading this article

النبى عربى.

انا اللى بشكر حضرتك على الموضوع الجميل دة .وياريت فى مصر النظام دة وانا بعتقد برضة ان النصب فى العربيات بسبب السعر المبالغ فية للسيارة وللقيمة مقابل الثمن واعتقد ان الحل هيبتدى بأنتهاء رؤية الدولة للسيارة بأنها رفاهية للمواطن وكماليات فى الحياة ومصدر للجباية والسبوبة من اول الجمارك الخرافية الى الرسوم الغير مبررة فى التراخيص والاحدث تحويل المخالفات اللى مصدر للجباية وملء الخزائن وليس لتقويم السائقين .
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unfortunately, this is true
but the comparison between there and here
not amended
there are alot of differences
they can deal but we cant
they can understand but we cant
in fact we dont deserve this kind of welfare

There are huge differences. Egypt is in the wrong way of the road. Even if you apply all the policies and rules of the world, that's not enough to make it better.
It's all about SOULS, not RULES.

thank u 4 this important story ...
you know how hard is it to buy a car here in egypt?

اعتقد احنا قدمنا على الاقل مليون سنة
عشان تبقى الحياة سهلة كده عندنا
ويا ريتك مكنت عرفتنا

شكرا لك Wesso على المشاركة وطبعا حضرتك متقدرش تكتب عربى لكنك تقرؤه بسهولة .
الفرق شاسع بين امريكا واوروبا وبين مصر بالتحديد فى مدى سهولة او صعوبة شراء سيارة او عمل اى اجراء رسمى .

و"بضدها تتضح الامور" يعنى :

لما تشترى عربية من التوكيل هنا وتبقى حاطط ايدك على قلبك وخايف يتنصب عليك ....يبقى ايه الوضع لما تشترى عربية مستعملة من الافراد ؟!!

ولما ( لا قدر الله ) يتعرض شخص لحادث سواء مخطىء او لا وعند اللجوء لشركات التامين تجد المتاهات واللف والدوران ...الخ
يبقى ازاى عايز الافراد يثقوا فى بعض!!!

ولما يبقى دخل الحكومة بيعتمد بشكل رئيسى على جنى الاتاوات والجباية المقنعة تحت اسم ضرائب او دمغات او رسم موارد او او او او .....الخ
يبقى ازاى تتوقع انه يتم اختصار خطوات اى اجراء الى خطوة او اثنين بدل سلسلة طويلة من المتاهات !!!!

ولما يبقى دخل موظفين الحكومة الرئيسى ( الا من رحم ربه ) من الاكراميات والشاى والرشاوى اللى بتضطر تدفعها عشان تختصر الاجراءات الطويلة المعقدة .....يبقى ازاى تنتظر اختصار خطوات اى اجراء حكومى !!!

ولما ولما..... والسلسلة تطول وربنا يسامحك قلبت علينا المواجع ولا حول ولا قوة الا بالله

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة mr_kenawy

النبى عربى.

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I know that , but i also know that Egyptians can read English very well
I think as a respect to my mother tongue i don't want to ruin Arabic by writing it with English letters

الفرق ده فى كل حاجه فرق هائل بين التعامل مع الدنيين فى مصر و فى الخارج
يالا الحمد لله على كل شىء

المدنيين
اسف

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة ramberandt

unfortunately, this is true
but the comparison between there and here
not amended
there are alot of differences
they can deal but we cant
they can understand but we cant
in fact we dont deserve this kind of welfare

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With all my respect to your point , but
They are human beings and so are we
These people struggle to cope up with the life demands and expences like Tax and paying bills , i think we dont pay as much Tax and bills as they do
so it is not about the surrounding environment , it is about the person himself

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة rockana9112007

انا اللى بشكر حضرتك على الموضوع الجميل دة .وياريت فى مصر النظام دة وانا بعتقد برضة ان النصب فى العربيات بسبب السعر المبالغ فية للسيارة وللقيمة مقابل الثمن واعتقد ان الحل هيبتدى بأنتهاء رؤية الدولة للسيارة بأنها رفاهية للمواطن وكماليات فى الحياة ومصدر للجباية والسبوبة من اول الجمارك الخرافية الى الرسوم الغير مبررة فى التراخيص والاحدث تحويل المخالفات اللى مصدر للجباية وملء الخزائن وليس لتقويم السائقين .
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Thanks for your response but do you know how much you will be fined if you broke through a red traffic light , it is huge amount of money which is worth nothing beside what we do in Egypt , i think it is a daily practice in Egypt to break through a red traffic light , or to drive against the normal traffic follow , again it is about the people , not the government or the surrounding environment . basically we make it hard on ourselves

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Ahmad

There are huge differences. Egypt is in the wrong way of the road. Even if you apply all the policies and rules of the world, that's not enough to make it better.
It's all about SOULS, not RULES.

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Excellent , that is exactly my point

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة dr_druggist

شكرا لك Wesso على المشاركة وطبعا حضرتك متقدرش تكتب عربى لكنك تقرؤه بسهولة .
الفرق شاسع بين امريكا واوروبا وبين مصر بالتحديد فى مدى سهولة او صعوبة شراء سيارة او عمل اى اجراء رسمى .


و"بضدها تتضح الامور" يعنى :

لما تشترى عربية من التوكيل هنا وتبقى حاطط ايدك على قلبك وخايف يتنصب عليك ....يبقى ايه الوضع لما تشترى عربية مستعملة من الافراد ؟!!

ولما ( لا قدر الله ) يتعرض شخص لحادث سواء مخطىء او لا وعند اللجوء لشركات التامين تجد المتاهات واللف والدوران ...الخ
يبقى ازاى عايز الافراد يثقوا فى بعض!!!

ولما يبقى دخل الحكومة بيعتمد بشكل رئيسى على جنى الاتاوات والجباية المقنعة تحت اسم ضرائب او دمغات او رسم موارد او او او او .....الخ
يبقى ازاى تتوقع انه يتم اختصار خطوات اى اجراء الى خطوة او اثنين بدل سلسلة طويلة من المتاهات !!!!

ولما يبقى دخل موظفين الحكومة الرئيسى ( الا من رحم ربه ) من الاكراميات والشاى والرشاوى اللى بتضطر تدفعها عشان تختصر الاجراءات الطويلة المعقدة .....يبقى ازاى تنتظر اختصار خطوات اى اجراء حكومى !!!

ولما ولما..... والسلسلة تطول وربنا يسامحك قلبت علينا المواجع ولا حول ولا قوة الا بالله

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I cant argue , but still dealing with people should not be compared by business dealers like car dealers

انت فى مصر

أصل اللى بنى مصر كان فى الاصل حلوانى و علشان كده كل حاجة عندنا ماشية حلوانى و دايما تلاقى ايدك ملزقة من كتر حلاوة الدنيا فى مصر.....اعتقد ان احنا مصعبين الدنيا على نفسنا فى كل حاجة ..يعنى بالبلدى كده بما اننا فى بلد حلوانى و الشعب متعود على العك و العجن يبقى ما نعرفش نرسم او نعمل خط مستقيم مع ان الخط المستقيم هو اقرب الطرق بين نقطتين ...لازم نلف و ندور و نحور و ننصب و نغش و نسرق بعض (الشعب و الحكومة و الشعب على الشعب) و التغيير من الحاجات دى محتاج معجزة من ربنا و اللى ربنا عايزه يفضل فى ضلال حايفضل فى ضلال

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة wsaleh2

so it is not about the surrounding environment , it is about the person himself

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اى كائن حى البيت والمجتمع والبيئة المحيطة هى التى تشكل سلوك وتصرفات هزا الكائن اى كان انسان او حيوان

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة ramberandt

اى كائن حى البيت والمجتمع والبيئة المحيطة هى التى تشكل سلوك وتصرفات هزا الكائن اى كان انسان او حيوان

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Sorry , you might be right for an extent for animals , but for human beings , it is different because we have something called religion that controls our deeds and habits , which says what is right and what is wrong

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة gemino

أصل اللى بنى مصر كان فى الاصل حلوانى و علشان كده كل حاجة عندنا ماشية حلوانى و دايما تلاقى ايدك ملزقة من كتر حلاوة الدنيا فى مصر.....اعتقد ان احنا مصعبين الدنيا على نفسنا فى كل حاجة ..يعنى بالبلدى كده بما اننا فى بلد حلوانى و الشعب متعود على العك و العجن يبقى ما نعرفش نرسم او نعمل خط مستقيم مع ان الخط المستقيم هو اقرب الطرق بين نقطتين ...لازم نلف و ندور و نحور و ننصب و نغش و نسرق بعض (الشعب و الحكومة و الشعب على الشعب) و التغيير من الحاجات دى محتاج معجزة من ربنا و اللى ربنا عايزه يفضل فى ضلال حايفضل فى ضلال

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Mr gemino
can you tell why did the Egyptian`s attitude changes 180 degrees when they go abroad as they follow the rules and behave the same as the foreign people do , there is something mysterious about this

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة wsaleh2

Mr gemino
can you tell why did the Egyptian`s attitude changes 180 degrees when they go abroad as they follow the rules and behave the same as the foreign people do , there is something mysterious about this

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so your qustion should be is whats wrong with the egyptian??
No, not everything. There are lots of wonderful Egyptian individuals, who have many good characteristics and who are able to excel in various fields of life.

There are many efforts done by individuals in an attempt to develop this country too. All the efforts are sporadic and random however, that the net effort amounts to zero. Some think of zero as a good number, a neutral number. But its actually a very degrading number. Try to multiply a number with it, or divide it by another number and you get no where. Try dividing a number by it and its an undefined operation (not a number).

So unfortunately, the good efforts done by so many Egyptians seem to maintain the survival level of this country more than to develop it in any way, and that is the zero number I'm talking about. It looks like we're standing still and surviving, but we aren't. Survival alone without development is a degraded state of being, and that's what we're living.

There are a few great Egyptian individuals whom are well known, but many more aren't. What makes great individuals even greater is being able to achieve what they do in the tough environment they're in, fighting back all the factors that are fighting them, instead of supporting them.

At a younger age, I used to think that one cannot achieve except outside of this country. But small achievements here are worth a great deal. Helping a few helpless help themselves here and being part of the early trivial development activities that could happen here (if ever), could be as worthwhile as getting to the moon and researching rocket science elsewhere, and sometimes its just as hard.

Every moral man and woman in this country that is holding tight to their morals, in this lawless swamp of immorality is making a great achievement.

Humans are the same everywhere. Some of the differences arise from the surrounding culture and from how we're raised. Yet we all have the same traits and chracteristics, needs and desires, just balanced differently. But Egyptians as a group have common factors that can be attributed to us in general, which are a result of the surrounding culture, and the environment we're being raised in.

I claim that what's wrong with Egyptians is not the individual within us. But what's wrong with Egyptians is us, as a group of people. Its how we function together, and how we perceive others. In fact, its how we are not able to function together. The problem is with Egyptians as a society functioning through our culture.

How we are governed by our regime is not an exception. Its from us, onto us --wa min a3malekom ma solleta 3alaykom. If we take snapshots of our society at any level, we'll find that every sample mini-government in our society functions the exact same way. Every power figure acts the same way, and every group of governed people in our society act the same way. We personify leadership (sometimes to an idol status, intentionally or not), blow them up, then suck up to them so we can be closer to them to benefit from their power, and when their time is up, we throw them over to take their place or work through the next powerful figure. And those who don't do that, allow those who do to rule.

For some reasons that anthropologists and sociologists can analyze, cutting corners has become a theme of our culture, where its important to get the job done, but not important how it gets done. Ana wa men ba3dy eltofan (I come first, and the tsunami can destroy the rest), is the definition of being smart in this culture, and if you care and work with others then you are by definition naive and dumb.

Mr or Mrs ramberandt
I would like to Thank you about this article , "do you really write it on your own" it looks like the ones we read on the newspappers which to be honest my small mind find it difficult to understand from the first time , but as a conclousion , i was talking about individuals as you mentioned them in your reply by "Every moral man and woman in this country that is holding tight to their morals, in this lawless swamp of immorality is making a great achievement."
Why cant we all as Egyptian be that man or this women , stand still to our morals and religious believes while dealing with others that is my whole point , don't blame the government , or blame the surrounding environment or blame bad people in the society you are living within , start with blaming yourself first , and if everybody stick to this approach , we will feel the change
as i can see from your name ramberandt or the right spelling should be Rembrandt you are a fan of arts , which mean you are a free spirit and honest soul, belive me things will get better if one started by himself
Cheers

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة wsaleh2

Mr gemino
can you tell why did the Egyptian`s attitude changes 180 degrees when they go abroad as they follow the rules and behave the same as the foreign people do , there is something mysterious about this

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الجبن سيد الاخلاق و ده ينطبق على 95 % من الناس فى مصر و لما بيطلعوا بره يمكن يفضلوا فترة معينة من الوقت ملتزمين بالنظام المطبق و بعد الفترة دى لو جت فرصة للهرجلة و الفساد و البوظان حايكونوا اول الناس يهرجلوا و يفسدوا و فى ناس تانية لما بتطلع بره بتحس انها كانت عايشة تحت مستوى الادامية فى مصر و بالتالى بيكون الالتزام بالنظام المطبق هو حبل النجاة و الفرصة الوحيدة للاحساس بالادامية.
ملحوظة * : ايه اللى خله البلد تنهض و تتحسن ايام محمد على ؟؟؟ الاجبار و القوة و الشدة و القانون هى السبب ....لما كانوا بيلموا اطفال الشوارع الحفاة العراة و يدخلوهم مدارس صناعية و حربية و الباقى يسافر يدرس طب و فن و هندسة فى اوروبا .
اللى عايز البلد دى تنضف و اهلها يرتقوا يبقى لازم يضرب بيد من حديد على كل مظاهر الجهل و التخلف و الفساد و السلبية و التواكل و الفهلوة ....ولكن من الواضح ان هناك ناس من مصلحتهم ان الناس تفضل كده :fdsa: :majd(2):

الناس بره عندهم الاحترام هو سيد الاخلاق 95 % منهم
و ال 5 % اللى باقية الجبن هو سيد الاخلاق بالنسبة ليهم

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة wsaleh2

Mr or Mrs ramberandt
as i can see from your name ramberandt or the right spelling should be Rembrandt you are a fan of arts , which mean you are a free spirit and honest soul, belive me things will get better if one started by himself
Cheers

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yes its right smart boy ramberandt this is the original dutch name as u know he is dutch not english so its should be like this ramberandt and it was really nice of u to tell me how to write my name:majd(2):
im out of this topic enjoy their company here ciao caro