الموضوع: ازمة السندات الامريكية "كلكيت تاني مرة"

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

من خلال معلوماتى البسيطة أى حاجة ضد الدولار قيمتها تزيد لما الدولار تحصله أزمة زى اللى هتحصل فى منتصف اكتوبر القادم ، يعنى كده من الآخر الاقتصاديين الكبار متوقعين هزة عنيفة بالأسواق العالمية لو أمريكا اعلنت افلاسها بسبب سقف الديون اللى الكونجرس لسة مزودوش ، المشكلة الأكبر إن فيه حاجات كتيرة مقابلة للدولار أو ضده زى السلع مثلاً السكر والدقيق والذرة والصويا دى سعرها بيزيد بجنون والزيادة بدأت فى السكر والدقيق من عدة أيام فعلاً (( ربنا يستر )) باقى الذرة والصويا ، والميزة الأحسن إن المعادن النفيسة سعرها هيزيد تانى زى الدهب والفضة وبالبلاديوم والبلاتينيوم ، الدولار يا سيدى الفاضل هو عملة أقوى اقتصاد فى العالم ودول كثيرة رابطة عملتها بالدولار زى دول الخليج مثلاً وكمان الاحتياطى بتاعها بيكون من الدولار ، فلو حصل إن امريكا اعلنت افلاسها بسبب الديون ومعلومة كده على الماشى سمعتها من التلفزيون ( إن أمريكا مصاريفها يومياً من 50 مليار دولار إلى 60 مليار ) ، المشكلة إن الخزانة مش هيبقى فاضل غير 30 مليار فقط ، غير إن الديون اللى عليها زادت ووصلت إلى 17 تريليون دولار تقريباً وعاوزين يسددوها 1 تريليون كل عشر سنين يعنى عشان يسدد نصف الديون محتاج حوالى 80 سنة !!! طبعاً بعد الكلام هتستغرب طيب ليه الدول بتخلى الاحتياطى بتاعها دولار ؟؟؟ علشان الدولار عملة قاطرة الاقتصاد العالمى وهو ده اللى الدول بتستورد بيه وبتصدر بيه وبتسدد ديونها بيه والأجهزة الطبية بتشتريها بيه ووووووووووحاجات كتيرة .
المشكلة الأكبر فى الصين لأن الاحتياطى كله دولار وكمان اشترت سندات فى أمريكا ، ولما امريكا تعلن افلاسها يبقى الدولار اللى عندها ده ولا ليه أى قيمة لأنه هيكون فقد كثير من قيمته لأن السوق العالمى والمستثمرين الكبار ما هيصدقوا حاجة زى كده ويبدأوا يبيعوا كميات كبيرة من الدولار اللى معاهم ويشتروا كل حاجة ضد الدولار زى المعادن النفيسة والسلع واليورو والجنيه الاسترلينى وطبعا ما ننساش الين اليابانى لأنه يعتبر من عملات الملاذ الآمن
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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة أبو بودي وعمر

ههههههههههههه
يا راجل ده أنا لما شفت الكلمة دي قبل ما أشوف اسمك افتكرتك أخونا saddam
عايزين نعرف أصل الكلمة دي من الأخ صدام وإيه سر تمسكه بيها في ذيل كل رد

اعلان الافلاس فى المفهوم الغربى غير اعلان الافلاس فى مفهومنا احنا
فى ولايات امريكية كثيرة اعلنت افلاسها قبل كدة اخرهم من كام شهر :)
والله أعلم حسب علمى : المقصود هنا هو اعلام الدائنين فى داخل الدولة وخارجها بعدم القدرة على السداد وبالتالى اعادة جدولة الديون بشكل أكثر راحة.
أمريكا صاحبة الاقتصاد الأقوى فى العالم. أى اعتقاد أن الاقتصاد الأمريكى انهار خلاص زى الصحف المصرية النص لبة الجهلة ما بيروجوا يبقى فهم خاطئى وغير دقيق. لأن لو الاقتصاد الأمريكى انهار هينهار معاه أكثر من نصف اقتصاديات العالم بما فيه اقتصاديات الخليج والاقتصاد المصرى. وربنا يستر

US shutdown: a guide for non-Americans

Please explain what just happened
The US government has begun shutting its non-essential services. Hundreds of thousands of workers are waking up to the news that they are on unpaid leave, and they don't know how long it will last. The shutdown, triggered at midnight Washington time, will bring a range of services to a standstill across the world's largest economy.

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Why?
[/COLOR]The Federal government had no choice. The US financial year ended on 30 September, and politicians on Capitol Hill have failed to agree a new budget for the 2013-2014 financial year. Even a 'stopgap' funding deal proved beyond them. Without a budget deal approved by both parts of Congress, the House of Representative and the Senate, there's no legal agreement to pay non-essential staff.

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Weren't they supposed to fix this last night?
[/COLOR]They tried. A series of proposals rattled between the two sides on Monday night until midnight struck without a deal.

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Why couldn't they agree a deal?
[/COLOR]Under the US constitution, the president cannot unilaterally bring in legislation. And despite weeks of talks, Republicans continue to include cuts and delays to Barack Obama's Affordable Care Act in the budget legislation they sent up to the Senate.

The House of Representatives is controlled by the Republican Party, whose Tea Party movement remain deeply opposed to Obamacare. They tried to use the budget as leverage to crowbar changes to the Act. The Senate, which is under the control of Obama's Democrats, has stood firm.

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Will the shutdown mean the entire US government grinds to a halt?
[/COLOR]No, it's not an anarchist's (or libertarian's?) dream. Essential services, such as social security and Medicare payments, will continue.
The US military service will keep operating, and Obama signed emergency legislation on Monday night to keep paying staff. But hundreds of thousands of workers at non-essential services, from Pentagon employees to rangers in national parks, will be told to take an unpaid holiday.

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]So what happens how?
[/COLOR]US politicians are meeting again in Washington on Tuesday. Before Monday's session broke up, the lower house proposed a 'bipartisan committee' to consider a way forward. The Senate is expected to reject this proposal, sticking to its position that Obamacare cannot be unravelled. Federal staff will remain unpaid until a budget is agreed. A 'stopgap' funding plan is an option, but Obama appeared wary of that option, arguing that would simply guarantee a repeated fight in a few weeks' time.

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]How much damage will it cause?
[/COLOR]If people aren't getting paid, they won't spend as much in the shops. They may be unable to meet essential financial commitments, such as mortgages and credit card payments.

Analysts at IHS Global Insight have calculated that it will knock $300m a day off US economic output (total US nominal GDP, or output, was around $16 trillion last year).

The key issue is how long it lasts. Moody's Analytics reckons that a two-week shutdown would cut 0.3% off US GDP, while a month-long outage would knock a whole 1.4% off growth.

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]When did this last happen?
[/COLOR]It's the first shutdown since 1995-1996, when Bill Clinton and the House of Representatives (and its speaker, Newt Gingrich) also failed to agree on a budget to fund federal services. That row ran for 28 days (over two stages).
But it was a more regular event in the 1980s, usually for a few days at a time. In total, the US government has partially shut down on 17 occasions before today.

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Why doesn't it happen in other countries?
[/COLOR]The shutdown situation is a product of the US democratic system. The president is both head of state and head of the federal government, without a guaranteed majority in either of the legislative bodies where new laws are debated and voted upon (because presidents, congressmen and women and senators are elected separately). The president can't simply ram laws through Capitol Hill.

In Britain, for example, tax and spending policies are outlined in the budget, presented to parliament by the chancellor of the exchequer. These changes are brought into law in a finance bill in the House of Commons. That's in effect a confidence vote in the government, and even the most fractious backbench MP would balk at rebelling on it.

Finance bills are also one area where the elected House of Commons has the upper hand over the unelected House of Lords. The Lords have no power to reject a money bill; they can only delay it for a month.

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]How does the US shutdown row tie in with the debt ceiling battle?
[/COLOR]They are separate issues, but the shutdown is raising fears over the debt ceiling.

America has a legal limit on its borrowing of $16.7tn dollars, and it's likely to hit that point in mid-October.

If a deal isn't reached, then America would run out of borrowing room, meaning the world's biggest economy would default on its debts. Both problems need solving – and a shutdown is now eating into valuable time to fix the debt ceiling.

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Why can't they just raise the debt ceiling?
[/COLOR]Again, legislation is needed. Republicans are again trying to link the plan to Obamacare – arguing that the healthcare reforms are unaffordable.

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]How are the markets reacting?
[/COLOR]So far, there's no panic. Investors are calculating that the shutdown will be short. But prepare for nervousness as that debt ceiling deadline gets closer.
The dollar, though, is being hit – dropping half a cent against major currencies.