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  1. #31

    الصورة الرمزية l0new0lf

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    دراجة بخارية: Ducati

    الحالة : l0new0lf غير متواجد حالياً

    افتراضي -

    hasad">

    one more thing, removing water vapors maintain pressure consistency in tyres because of the pressure fluctuations due to moisture mass in air when temperatures varries greatly


  2. #32

    الصورة الرمزية MMamdouh

    رقم العضوية : 102

    تاريخ التسجيل : 23Apr2007

    المشاركات : 34,229

    النوع : ذكر

    الاقامة : Downtown - Cairo, Egypt

    السيارة: Daewoo Lanos I 1999

    السيارة[2]: Daewoo Lanos II 2001

    دراجة بخارية: N/A

    الحالة : MMamdouh غير متواجد حالياً

    افتراضي -

    اقتباس المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة l0new0lf مشاهدة المشاركة
    listen gents, because it is in my daily activity to deal with gases at work, i would like to correct some wrong understandings about filling tyres with nitrogen
    great... then we now have someone that does know what is he talking about
    1-nitrogen is just a gas and any compressed gas when exposed to temperature while maintaing same volume (same amount of molicules) will lead to the increase of the pressure of this gas >>> so nitrogen pressures in tyres will increase when tyres temperature increases.
    this is pretty much acceptable as at the end of the day nitrogen is just another gas... the real question is how much does the nitrogen expand to a given amount of heating compared to other gases?? i reckon this is where nitrogen proves to be worth it... i currently have my tires filled with nitrogen at 31PSI and the car never felt too hard or so compared to air filled tires at 30 PSI on hot tarmac

    2- nitrogen represents about 76% of the air components, a chemically innert and intoxic gas tha will never react with tyres rubbers or corrode rims like the water condensates in tyres that is already included in the compressed air
    another benefit for nitrogen... it preserves your tires and rims

    3- manufactures claim that seepage losses in tyrew pressures is reduced due to the use of nitrogen who has bigger molecular size than air >>>> less inflated tures over longer periods>>> less tyre erosion and less fuel consumption.
    it was said that the seepage is some three times less than air... on the long run nitrogen is cheaper than air as it will reduce the maintenance frequency required... only had to check my tires once since i filled them with nitrogen and that was some 3 months ago

    I hope this calrifies the hoax of filling tyres with nitrogen
    well... what you have said proves that this is not a hoax at all... this is for real and it does deliver what is expected to deliver.
    i have gone through both and they are more into supporting nitrogen rather than rejectiong it... even the second link's articce ended wit "join the debate" rather than "it is a scam"

    MMamdouh

    What is the difference between ignorance and apathy?...I don't know & I don't care



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  3. #33

    الصورة الرمزية l0new0lf

    رقم العضوية : 12256

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    الاقامة : h0me

    السيارة: the l0new0lfm0bile2

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    دراجة بخارية: Ducati

    الحالة : l0new0lf غير متواجد حالياً

    افتراضي -

    PV=nRTfor a tyre, closed volume, V, n and R are constantso, P =constant * Tmeaning, as temperature increases, pressure will increase, but due to the presence of R, different gases will not exhibit pressure increase of same amount responding to the same increase in temperatre i can provide U with charts for the deviation factor but for simplicity U can safely assume it to be 1 as the variation in temperature variations are not too great in passengers car tyres. so, pressure will increase as temperature increases.
    the molecules size is not the only factor for leaks. Leakage can occur through the tyre's inner liner but can also occur through the valve, punctures, or failure of the seal between tyre and wheel rim. Pure nitrogen might leak more slowly through the liner, but regular checks of tyre condition and pressures will still be essential.

    Corrosion of the tyre through use of normal compressed air alone is most unlikely because only the outer tread band of a car tyre contains steel – the amount of moisture reaching it from the inside is minimal.

    great temperature variations only happens in aircrafts tyres landing and in F1 race cars, but not in normal passengers tyres.

    it is a harmless hoax that was leashed to make ppl check up on their tyres on a regular basis. and I will quote from the same links that proves that they are not fully supporting using nitrogen ...


    "''Nevertheless, the existence of several other possible sources of leaks (tire/rim interface, valve, valve/rim interface and the wheel) prevents the guarantee of better pressure maintenance for individuals using nitrogen inflation."
    So we can save the expense if we just check our tires regularly.
    The trouble is, we don't.
    As recently as two years ago, government and tire industry surveys showed close to 30 percent of cars, vans, pickups and SUVs on the road had at least one tire that was substantially underinflated, at least 8 psi below the recommended minimum pressure.
    But high gas prices and consumer education may be cutting into that number. According to a survey by Uniroyal Tire in mid August, nearly 50 percent of Americans said they are now checking the air pressure in their tires once a month.
    Still, that leaves millions of unchecked tires."""

    """

    There's significant debate about the value of filling your tires with Nitrogen. On Eng-Tips Forums, a web board for engineering professionals, the "Nitrogen filled tires?" thread is full of passionate discussion, most of it quite skeptical about the practical benefits of the practice. The consensus opinion on Eng-Tips Forums seems to be that the benefits of Nitrogen are largely academic -- tires are engineered to be filled with ambient air, wheels are designed to cope with the moisture that air carries, and the benefits of Nitrogen, in real world applications, though real, are not worth the cost. My bottom line advice: Save your money, and keep your tires properly inflated with air. You'll get much better results investing in a small compressor for your garage and keeping your SUV tires properly inflated with air."""


  4. #34

    الصورة الرمزية l0new0lf

    رقم العضوية : 12256

    تاريخ التسجيل : 05Jun2008

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    الاقامة : h0me

    السيارة: the l0new0lfm0bile2

    السيارة[2]: the l0new0lfm0bile1

    دراجة بخارية: Ducati

    الحالة : l0new0lf غير متواجد حالياً

    افتراضي -

    the hoax is that filling passengers cars tyres with nitrogen is much benifitial that filling with air. i replace hoax word with debate for more convenience


  5. #35

    الصورة الرمزية MMamdouh

    رقم العضوية : 102

    تاريخ التسجيل : 23Apr2007

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    الاقامة : Downtown - Cairo, Egypt

    السيارة: Daewoo Lanos I 1999

    السيارة[2]: Daewoo Lanos II 2001

    دراجة بخارية: N/A

    الحالة : MMamdouh غير متواجد حالياً

    افتراضي -

    nice findings

    MMamdouh

    What is the difference between ignorance and apathy?...I don't know & I don't care



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  6. #36

    الصورة الرمزية abzoabzo

    رقم العضوية : 9415

    تاريخ التسجيل : 22Apr2008

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    افتراضي -

    انا كونت برصص الكاوتش ولقيت عند انا الورشة فيها جهاز نيتروجين ولما حبيت استفسار عرفت ان انتيتروجين مبيسببش صدا او انفجار الكاوتش ده كمان بيرفع من كفائته وده لان النيتروجين اثقل من الهواء وجزيئاته مش بتتاثر بالحرارة زى الهواء


    ولاحظت لما مشيت بالعربية ان العفشة انعه ومش بسمع اصوات دربكة جامدة لما بامشى على عين القطة او تكسير فى الاسفلت


  7. #37

    الصورة الرمزية mat7oon

    رقم العضوية : 2051

    تاريخ التسجيل : 05Sep2007

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    الاقامة : Cairo

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    افتراضي -

    Aircraft tires are usually inflated with nitrogen or helium in order to minimize expansion and contraction from extreme changes in ambient temperature and pressure experienced during flight. Dry nitrogen expands at the same rate as other dry atmospheric gases, but common compressed air sources may contain moisture, which increases the expansion rate with temperature.

    طب ادى حته من wikipedia و من الاخر بتقول ان النيتروجين بيتمدد فعلا بس اقل من الهوا العادى لان الهوا العادى فيه رطوبة بتزود المعدل بتاع التمدد عشان كده بيستعملوا النيتروجين او الهيليوم فى الطيرات و الله اعلم برضه انا بنقل المكتوب بس.

    خالد محمد


  8. #38

    الصورة الرمزية MMamdouh

    رقم العضوية : 102

    تاريخ التسجيل : 23Apr2007

    المشاركات : 34,229

    النوع : ذكر

    الاقامة : Downtown - Cairo, Egypt

    السيارة: Daewoo Lanos I 1999

    السيارة[2]: Daewoo Lanos II 2001

    دراجة بخارية: N/A

    الحالة : MMamdouh غير متواجد حالياً

    افتراضي -

    اكيد فيه سبب وجية ان شركات الطيران و فرق سباقات الفوميولا تستعمل النيتروجين.... اصل الناس دى مش حتعمل حاجة على سبيل المنظرة مثلا

    MMamdouh

    What is the difference between ignorance and apathy?...I don't know & I don't care



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  9. #39

    الصورة الرمزية l0new0lf

    رقم العضوية : 12256

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    الاقامة : h0me

    السيارة: the l0new0lfm0bile2

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    دراجة بخارية: Ducati

    الحالة : l0new0lf غير متواجد حالياً

    افتراضي -

    the reason is for F1 is the very high temp that tyres are exposed to due to the tremendous speed and the no. of laps they do in 1 race, they change the tyres many times during 1 race but of course they'd like to reduce howmany times they change tyres to gain more time, as for aircrafts there was an incident i think in mexican airport that a plane tyre was not filled with nitrogen and during landing it blew off and caught fire, they claim that the rubber burned due to the amount of oxygen inside the tyres, I didnt look up this thing but we already have about 21% of air arround the tyres from the outside is oxygen and thats more than enough to complete the fire triangle and start a fire, so i'd say i can not give a conclusion since i did not look up this issue thoroughly. but i'd say insurance companies would come up with anything as a justification in order to settle out the moeny issues, it happens all the time in my line of work. and dont take aeverything u find in wikipedia for granted, they are too academic. in order to inflate tyres u ofcourse use a compressor, and this compressor got a storage tank, and air is first compressed in that tank, and any moisture contained in air will first condensate in that tank, thats why all those tanks got a drainage valve and thats why its being drained every now and then, ask any1 works in tyres business. in my personall opionion and based on my studies at line of work and from internet finding i'd say
    inflating u r car tyres with nitrogen is not as beneficial as its being claimed, its something like fashion and every body runs after it, but it wont hurt to do it


  10. #40

    الصورة الرمزية l0new0lf

    رقم العضوية : 12256

    تاريخ التسجيل : 05Jun2008

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    الاقامة : h0me

    السيارة: the l0new0lfm0bile2

    السيارة[2]: the l0new0lfm0bile1

    دراجة بخارية: Ducati

    الحالة : l0new0lf غير متواجد حالياً

    افتراضي -

    hasad">

    the reason for using nitrogen only in tyres instead of air when it comes to temperature not to cool down tyres, but because of the expansion -deviation factor in my previous equation, the R term- expansion of a mixture of gasses-air- is hard to predetect but for a single gas we have charts for almost all gasses and its very easy to predect for example the new pressure of tyres when temperature of tyres increase say by 30 degrees, and nitrogen comes to be on the top of the list of gases used in industry because its nontoxic, it doesnt burn or help to burn like oxygen, and we have plenty of nitrogen in air and its rather cheap to extract it from air



 
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