الموضوع: حسما للجدل فى موضوع الاسبرانزا

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة mantoros

first of all....................i drive a subaru impreza.............highest of all japanese cars and almost equal to german cars by the approoval of german s themselves
second.........i didn't say that chinese cars are like german or european cars but i can yes say that they are so near to korean cars............take a look at m11 and you'll know what i mean
third..............if you wanna say your opinion in a car you must have tried it and used it and collected all data about it,but what happens here is that all of u blind attackers just go by listening or reputition only but never tried or owned a chinese car to judge on it!!! that is nonsense
fourth............these cars like from chery automotive are becoming international cars with gainig respect of many countries now to the extent of making deals with them
fifth...............ALL CARS IN EGYPT ARE OVER PRICED so when a car in good value for money come along,why not buy it and enjoy
sixth............if you talk about safety!!!!! what the hell that lanoos or hyundai or even kia gives you?!!! they have no air bags or ABS here in egypt..........at least chinese cars give you these safety options
I PROUDLY SOLD THE AVEO TO BUY MY WIFE THE TIGGO AND IT'S WORTH EVERY PIASTER

WISE UP FOLKS............FEW YEARS TO COME,YOU'LL SEE WHAT PRICES THE CHINESE CARS WILL BE AND ALL KOREAN CARS WILL BE HISTORY OR AT LEAST FIGHTING FOR A PIECE OF THE MARKET BESIDE CHINESE CARS

اللهم بلغت اللهم فأشهد و اهدي الجميع

dear sir , firstly i must state that any difference you will see in the next few lines is only my opinion and that there is nothing personally....and i fully respect you and your opinion.
secondly :chery automotive isnt a large automaker it only produced 350,560 cars at the year 2008 ...please read this pdf which will provide you with more info about this issue
http://oica.net/wp-......./uploads/w...nking-2008.pdf

thirdly: i watched the m11 yes it tries hard to LOOK like a german car but the differences are obvious and huge .....you cant even compaire both cars ....in my personal opinion comparing chineese cars to dummy cars like hyndais and KIAs will not be in the favor of the chinese cars...in all the aspects.
fourthly: you said in your third point you must drive the car for a while to judge it ...although i totaly dissagree with you as this is a matter of knowledge and experience as both knowledge and experience can save you time ...as instead of driving the car for a week ... you just drive it once or twice and search for certain points like the accelration , the power ,how do you feel the power of the car when you drive it , the steering , the way and sound of the shifts and many other things its a bit of knowledge and experence plus a bit of sensation , you must be a car fan to feel it .
fifth:you drive a subaru imperza ...honstly sir how can you feel that there is no difference in every single bit ...every corner you take...every time you push the pedale .... the quality of the cockpit the seats even the touch of the gear lever ...i really dont know .
six: yes all cars are over priced i do agree
seven :every day we hear about accidents on all the roads , if we dont have the safety equipment ,....then at least lets have a body that can tries to protect us .... what you are saying ?....hyunadis kias & all koreans know now that to survive in europe they should pass the euro ncap so all koreans are at least 3 star reated many are 4 or even 5 stars ...i hate koeran cars but they are more safer sir ....


I PROUDLY SOLD THE AVEO TO BUY MY WIFE THE TIGGO AND IT'S WORTH EVERY PIASTER
good luck sir , but honestly i dont know what to say ...you sold a shitty car to buy a more shittier car ... i will never defend the aveo ... but i think you made 2 bad decissions the first is buying an AVEO and the second is buying the tiggo



WISE UP FOLKS............FEW YEARS TO COME,YOU'LL SEE WHAT PRICES THE CHINESE CARS WILL BE AND ALL KOREAN CARS WILL BE HISTORY OR AT LEAST FIGHTING FOR A PIECE OF THE MARKET BESIDE CHINESE CARS

that will never happen as after all those years of japanesse cars ( more than 60 years ) they are still considered no. 2 after the europian cars ...yes i know they sell more but in technology ..innovations and ride quality ...they stilll are no.2 . and american will always be the third .... so i dont care who is playing for the fourth place whether its chinnese or korean cars ...honestly i dont care .
at the end thank you for reading all that .
and may god protect both of your cars.

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة ehaballam

لأ أنا مش مفروض أسأل حد يا باشا ....لان رأي الناس اللي مش متخصصة ملوش معنى ...وأي حد ساء 128 وساء بعدها توك توك فيه abs وباور لازم يحلف بجمال التوك توك ده ...بس ده مش معناه إن التوك توك أحسن من ال 128..... زي أي حاجة في الدنيا لو مقريتش عنها وكنت جاهل فيها يبقى أي حد يسألني يبقى غلطان إنه يسألني في ظل ولع المصريين بالفتوى في كل حاجة .... كويس إنك قلت حدوتة الياباني ... أيوه الياباني خد سنين من التجربة قبل ما الناس تثق فيه .... بس ده مش حجة إن كل اللي حيجي حيبقى زيه ....أما الكوري فـللأسف اللي بيعتبروا الكوري عربيات حلوة يبقى برده مبيقراش لان في كل الدنيا الكوري ده آخر حاجة وارخص حاجة ...بس احنا اللي ظروفنا مش كويسة فـخدله قيمة ....في كلمة قالها برنارد شو " مش لازم آكل البيضة كلها علشان أعرف إنها فاسدة ...يعني مش لازم اركب كل العربيات الصيني علشان أعرف لأي مدى هي سيئة ..... أنا تعاملت مع ال a113 a516 m11 ..... وأظن دول كفاية جدا علشان أحكم على العربية .... حتقولي وايه يضمني إنك بتفهم أصلا حقولك أنا مهندس وقضيت آخر سنتين في عمري اتعلم ....ولسة أدامي كتير .... بس العربيات دي ممكن تشرح عليها الحاجات تبقى وحشة إزّي

برجاء توضيح العيوب بما ان حضرتك جربتها مع الشكر

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة ehaballam

dear sir , firstly i must state that any difference you will see in the next few lines is only my opinion and that there is nothing personally....and i fully respect you and your opinion.
secondly :chery automotive isnt a large automaker it only produced 350,560 cars at the year 2008 ...please read this pdf which will provide you with more info about this issue
http://oica.net/wp-......./uploads/w...nking-2008.pdf

thirdly: i watched the m11 yes it tries hard to LOOK like a german car but the differences are obvious and huge .....you cant even compaire both cars ....in my personal opinion comparing chineese cars to dummy cars like hyndais and KIAs will not be in the favor of the chinese cars...in all the aspects.
fourthly: you said in your third point you must drive the car for a while to judge it ...although i totaly dissagree with you as this is a matter of knowledge and experience as both knowledge and experience can save you time ...as instead of driving the car for a week ... you just drive it once or twice and search for certain points like the accelration , the power ,how do you feel the power of the car when you drive it , the steering , the way and sound of the shifts and many other things its a bit of knowledge and experence plus a bit of sensation , you must be a car fan to feel it .
fifth:you drive a subaru imperza ...honstly sir how can you feel that there is no difference in every single bit ...every corner you take...every time you push the pedale .... the quality of the cockpit the seats even the touch of the gear lever ...i really dont know .
six: yes all cars are over priced i do agree
seven :every day we hear about accidents on all the roads , if we dont have the safety equipment ,....then at least lets have a body that can tries to protect us .... what you are saying ?....hyunadis kias & all koreans know now that to survive in europe they should pass the euro ncap so all koreans are at least 3 star reated many are 4 or even 5 stars ...i hate koeran cars but they are more safer sir ....


I PROUDLY SOLD THE AVEO TO BUY MY WIFE THE TIGGO AND IT'S WORTH EVERY PIASTER
good luck sir , but honestly i dont know what to say ...you sold a shitty car to buy a more shittier car ... i will never defend the aveo ... but i think you made 2 bad decissions the first is buying an AVEO and the second is buying the tiggo



WISE UP FOLKS............FEW YEARS TO COME,YOU'LL SEE WHAT PRICES THE CHINESE CARS WILL BE AND ALL KOREAN CARS WILL BE HISTORY OR AT LEAST FIGHTING FOR A PIECE OF THE MARKET BESIDE CHINESE CARS

that will never happen as after all those years of japanesse cars ( more than 60 years ) they are still considered no. 2 after the europian cars ...yes i know they sell more but in technology ..innovations and ride quality ...they stilll are no.2 . and american will always be the third .... so i dont care who is playing for the fourth place whether its chinnese or korean cars ...honestly i dont care .
at the end thank you for reading all that .
and may god protect both of your cars.

والله يا استاذ ايهاب حسستني ان احنا في الامم المتحدة و بتهاجم اسرائيل ......
يا اخوانا يا حبايبنا ..... اعطي كل زي حق حقه .....
ماروحش اجيب عربية ب 70 زي عربيه ب 150

انما بدون مقارنات ..... ايه وحش في العربية ؟؟؟؟؟ ايه و حش في التوكيل ؟؟؟؟ ايه مابيظبطش؟؟؟؟؟ ايه شاكلfatal او مشاكل في الoptions بتبوظ او مبتأديش وظيفتها ؟؟؟؟؟


مقولش العفشة ناشفة ده عيب .... لا ده مدرسة لوحدها .... انما كون ان انا مش عجباني دي حاجة تانيه ....

مقولش المتور صوته عالي الا لما اربطه بالجهد اللي عليه الصوت ظهر .. يعني عالي علي rpm 7 يبقي المتور وحش ولا ده عيب مني انا ؟؟؟؟؟

مقولش الoptions مش هتشتغل غير لما ماتشتغلش .....

الحيادية للافادة ......... كلنا مصلحتنا عربية رخيصة و بنت حلال ان شاء الله يكون اسمها عطيات و متصنعة في باكوكو و متجمعة تحت بير السلم

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة ahmedhee

Ford taps Chinese automaker Geely as lead bidder for Volvo - Oct. 28, 2009
الخبر بالرابط بالاعلي يقول ان شركة جيلي الصينية ستستحوز علي شركة فولفو في القريب العاجل.و ستصنع فولفوا في الصين
بس هل بعد هذا الاستحواذ. هنقول علي الفولفو صيني و بلاش منها. ؟؟؟
هل دا سيؤثر علي نظرتنا لشركة جيلي نفسها بصفتها اصبحت تمتلك خبر فولفوا في الامان. اما ان النظرة ان جيلي اشترت فولفوا لتصنعها من اردأ المواد الصينية مستغلة الاسم فقط.
الحقيقة الشركات الصيني و الهندي اشترت اعرق الماركات الامريكية و الاوروبية مثل جاجور و لاند روفر و هامر و ......
و اكيد انهم حايستفيدوا من خبرتهم في عالم صناعة السيارات مش بس باسمهم

أيوه يا باشا حيستفيدوا..... بس السؤال فولفو بالها كام سنة في GM يا ترى غيرت في GM قد ايه ؟
proton بالها كام سنة مالكة لوتس أحسن شركة في موضوع ال HANDLING في العالم .... مغيرتش كتير .... تاتا اشتريت جاجوار بس مازالت الشركتين منفصلتين ....آه صحيح ده حيختصر سنين من الوقت اللي حتحتاجو الشركات الجديدة .... بس برده في حد لل technology transfer لانه برده مش حيموت الشركة القديمة
ووعد مني لما الجيلي تعمل عربيات في جودة الكوري حتى حعاملها زي الكوري ...أنا ما عنديش مشكلة مع الماركات الجديدة أنا مش شريك في bmw مثلا فخايف ....أنا كل مشكلتي انهم حاليا ميستاهلوش التمن ولا يستاهلوا حتى يتبص عليهم

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة ehaballam

أنا كل مشكلتي انهم حاليا ميستاهلوش التمن ولا يستاهلوا حتى يتبص عليهم

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة ash257

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يا باشا ..... إنت لما سألت كنت عايز حد يقولك go ahead ولا عايز نصيحة لوجه الله....
وعلى العموم يا باشا تشكر.